ISSF möchte 3 Disziplinen bei Olympia ersetzen

nicht zu vergessen, das liegend Schießen soll auch wegfallen
Ein Skandal ist das

Dann machen wir halt im neuen Thread weiter:

http://www.issf-sports.org/news.ashx?newsid=2714

Dear Friends,
In this post I would like to inform you of the latest developments from the Athletes Committee Meeting which was held in Munich. As all of you are aware that complying with Agenda 2020 is of prime importance in order for us to maintain our strong position within the Olympic Movement.
The IOC is now working with all international federations to achieve 50 percent female participation in the Olympic Games and to stimulate women's participation and involvement in sport by creating more participation opportunities at the Olympic Games by Tokyo 2020. The IOC encourages the inclusion of mixed gender team events.
Shooting currently has nine men's events and six women's events on the Olympic program so major changes are necessary.
The ISSF leadership brought the issue up to the ISSF Athletes Committee way back in 2015 when the newly elected Committee first convened in January 2015. In fact, the Athlete Committee was the first Committee the issue was brought up to. From the very moment this was brought up to us we realized that this was going to be a very challenging situation. In all our reports and posts we continuously encouraged all athletes to read the Agenda 2020 and offer us suggestions and possible solutions to achieve the benchmarks set by the IOC.
In November 2015, the Athletes Committee after much deliberation recommended to the ISSF that we should try and preserve the integrity of the current program and convert the events of 50m Rifle Prone Men, 50m Pistol Men and Double Trap Men into mixed gender team events. This was our stated position to the ISSF Ad Hoc Committee in 2015.
However, this year we were updated of the evaluation process in more details by both the ISSF leadership and by IOC member Ms. Danka Bartekova who is our liaison to the IOC Athletes Committee. Several factors such as universality, sport presentation, grassroots development, sustainability, environmental and cost factors were taken into consideration. The huge success of the 10m Air Mixed Team events at the Youth Olympics was also considered and we were informed of the encouraging response of the IOC towards the mixed events. We were also informed of the details which were needed to be submitted by the ISSF to the IOC such as current participation, event existence, youth participation and accessibility.
Taking into consideration all factors the Athletes Committee had to review our stated position of 2015. This was an immensely difficult and emotional situation for us as we understand the sensitivity of many athletes who would be affected by any decision. We had many deliberations amongst ourselves, ISSF Coaches Committee, and different Section Committees and the ISSF leadership.
The guiding principle was to look at situation in a holistic manner which would be beneficial in long term for the shooting sport in order for us to maintain our presence in the Olympic movement.
We conducted a vote within the Athletes Committee in order for us to come up with our recommendations. The result of the vote was to replace the Double Trap men event to a Mixed Gender Trap event, 50m Prone Men into a Mixed Gender Air Rifle event and 50m Pistol Men into a Mixed Gender Air Pistol event.
We can understand that many athletes would not be satisfied with this. In fact, none of us are and we realize that this is a very difficult scenario. The Athletes Committee requests that everybody should look at the bigger picture and consider the many factors that are important for us to ensure our strong presence within the Olympic movement.
I hope this gives all of you an insight into what went behind coming up with our recommendations and that it was done in the most transparent and democratic fashion.
ABHINAV BINDRA
Chairman, ISSF Athletes Committee

Ich fände es sehr bedauerlich, wenn FP wegfällt. Die IMHO einzige Schießdisziplin, die seit den ersten Olympischen spielen der Neuzeit nahezu unverändert ausgetragen wurde.
Wahrscheinlich ist das wohl für Fernsehzuschauer zu langweilig. Und die Fernsehrechte sind, wie es heute durch das Radio verbreitet wurde, sausauteuer. Da muß dann auch was für das Geld geboten werden!

Aber ob mixed Gender LP / LG wirklich attraktiver sind???
Ich hab da auch was von mixed LG + LP je 25 Schuß gehört. Das soll auch zur Diskussion stehen.

Bei den diesjährigen Olympischen Spielen waren die Schießsportwettbewerbe, hier die Finale, mit die Sendungen die am meisten Einschaltquote hatten.

Der ISSF-Text hört sich so an, als ob sich da jemand wirklich Gedanken gemacht hat. Das ist zumindest besser, als wenn es einfach verkündet wird.

Wichtig wäre für mich, wie die Disziplinen an der Basis verbreitet sind. Und da sehe ich für Deutschland nur eine kleine Basis für die Wurfscheibe. Diese Disziplin hat ja auch großen Platzbedarf. Deswegen hätte ich bei 15 Disziplinen insgesamt eher 6 Gewehr, 6 Pistole, 3 Wurfscheibe genommen.

Und wenn ich mir die Pistole ansehe, schießen an der Basis die meisten LuPi und SpoPi. OSP schießt nach meiner Beobachtung kaum jemand, ebenfalls wegen Platzbedarf. Deswegen wäre mein Disziplinenmix gewesen: LuPi jeweils Männer und Frauen, SpoPi jeweils Männer und Frauen, Freie Pistole gemeinsam. Und eine mögliche sechste Disziplin wäre OSP gemeinsam.

Aber ich kann mit dem ISSF-Votum leben. Meine Olympia-Chancen werden dadurch nicht beeinträchtigt. Und zum Anschauen sind alle Disziplinen attraktiv, wenn es den ordentlich kommentiert und von der Kamera eingefangen wird. Daran sollte die ISSF auch arbeiten!

Gruss, Marcos

PS: Moment, da fällt mir gerade ein. Wurfscheibe wird ja auch mit dem Gewehr geschossen. Also sollte es noch weitere Pistolendisziplinen geben.

Zitat von Henri Junghänel

Henri Junghänel, Olympic winner in prone Rio 2016, member of the ISSF Athletes' Committee, just posted:

So after my post of the IOC/ISSF meeting protocol in April I had a conversation with the Secretary General at WC Rio where he was obviously not amused about the post, yet it was a friendly conversation. He emphasized that the letter was taken out of context and didn't mean anything. Further in the meeting, on my request for transparency he said that everything should be announced at its right time.
Well, half a year later exactly what was written in the paper came true (even if not finally decided until mid of next year) and if I would have known that decisions have been made already, I wouldn't have paused my vacation and could have saved my federation 1200 € in costs for the flight from Buenos Aires to Munich and back.
Nevertheless out of the prospective of a -soon to be ex- member of the Athletes committee I'm really disappointed about the desicion for several reasons. I think the most valid was named by Jonas about prone being the most-shot event in several countries. A third olympic event in air rifle (the same applies to air pistol) won't increase the number of shooters around the world by a single shooter. The removal of prone, however, will most certainly do the opposite.
First, I have to state that I don't have any personal problems with the decision. I have achieved more than I have hoped for and was thinking about a career-end anyway, in order to focus on my professional career as an engineer.
Second, I have to defend the ISSF decision that an extra event in each discipline (bumping it up from 3x5 to 3x6) is not possible in times where other sports are just higher on the entry list for the Olympics as new shooting events. I believe that the IOC is the driving force of not creating open events. So mixed team events are a logical conclusion even if I don't really understand why the parity 5 rifle, 5 pistol, 5 shotgun is untouchable.
Supposedly, the IOC is really in favor of the idea of mixed air events. With this we get to the main problem we have with shooting in the Olympic circle. In detail, there are three major points:
- The IOC doesn't like shooting (and would prefer something without guns) and there hasn't been a single written paper on what they want to change except from the Agenda 2020
- The ISSF isn't able to promote our sport that it can be financially independent from IOC support, so everything out of the Olympics neither gets any funding on the national level (no matter where you go) nor any sponsorship money
- the highest priority of the ISSF is maintaining as many quota places as possible, so it rather sacrifices prone, free pistol, douple trap than taking a chance because it thinks it's best for the sport.
So unless someone is coming up with a new way to present our sport (other "boring" sports have made that step - golf, darts, snooker) and is willing to invest time and money to establish a new federation, a new world cup series or something equivalent the sport won't grow.
Because, I, personally, am convinced that the ISSF will continue the downsizing (in range and caliber size) until there's not much left of 'our' sport. Rhetorical questions: How many events are left on the Olympic 50m range; why building one?
Furthermore, as Rajmond has pointed out once, with the downsizing they take away the only sponsors a (semi-)professional athlete has.
I hope, I'm wrong with that thinking and it's really for the best for our sport, that the airgun population, as well as the industry behind it will bloom and that the ISSF committees are not the only one who benefit from as much meetings and quotas as possible. However, I feel disappointed with the idea that the main goal of ISSF is to maintain as many quotas as possible and forgetting to represent the interest of its current athletes; as long as it has still members.
But maybe the 4:2 vote within the Athletes committee in favor for mixed air over mixed prone has proven that my opinion is just one of a minority within the population of athletes.
Well, that's just a small part of the whole story.
Side note:
Because of 7 new sports in Tokyo and 800 athletes less, the amount of quotas overall is likely to go down.

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Zitat von cpa

ARD und ZDF ziehen eine positive Bilanz der 31. Olympischen Spiele in Rio de Janeiro...

Bemerkenswert waren die zum Teil sehr hohen Einschaltquoten bei Sportarten, die außerhalb von Olympischen Spielen weniger Beachtung finden. In der ARD erzielten die besten Quoten die deutschen Beachvolleyballdamen: Das Halbfinale im Ersten kam auf 8,55 Millionen Zuschauer (Markanteil: 28,7 Prozent). Den Top-Wert im ZDF konnte das Bogenschießen verbuchen, dieser Wettkampf interessierte 7,52 Millionen Zuschauer (Marktanteil: 25,6 Prozent).
... Das ZDF punktete mit dem Fußballspiel Nigeria gegen Deutschland, das 7,0 Millionen (Marktanteil 26,7 Prozent) am Bildschirm verfolgten, sowie mit Judo (6,59 Millionen, Marktanteil 23,2 Prozent) und Schießen (6,45 Millionen, Marktanteil 21,0 Prozent).

Schade Axel, aber das stand ja mehrfach in der Presse .......

VG

Holger

In Facebook habe ich einen sehr guten Kommentar gelesen. Ich denke, es ist eine Inderin, die sinngemäß schrieb:

"Es ist einfach doof, bei einer Angleichung der Männer- an die Frauendisziplinen Wettbewerbe zu streichen.
Anstelle der Mixed-Wettbewerbe hätte man auch 60 schuß liegen für Frauen einführen können."

Leider hat die ISSF wohl die Hosen voll und wird hysterisch, da das IOC wohl eine Schießaversion hat.
Gender-Management, Streichung und wohl weniger Athleten sind dafür die offiziellen Argumente ....

Also geht es um Geld, viel Geld und das ist jedes Mittel recht ...

VG

Holger

Dass Kurzwaffenschützen über den Wegfall der Freien klagen, kann ich verstehen, aber das Liegendschießen ist bei den Langwaffen ja bei Männer und Frauen weiterhin vertreten. Also ein guter Kompromiss. Es bedeutet keinesfalls den Tod der Disziplin auf nationaler Ebene. Der Wegfall der laufenden Scheibe war doch viel schlimmer und das wird immer noch international geschossen.

Zitat von AxelA

Hat jemand zufälligerweise die Einschaltquotenstatistik der verschiedenen Olympischen Disziplinen

ob es eine weltweite Gesamtstatistik gibt wage ich zu bezweifeln.

3-Stellung der Herren bei Olympia hatte in Deutschland einen Marktanteil von 25,6%. Dies waren 4,62 Millionen Zuseher.

Zitat von Karl

möchte ich behaupten dass international die Langwaffendiszipline im issf deutlich überwiegen.

Das denke ich (ebenfalls ohne belastbare Quelle) auch. Regional dagegen ist das dagegen sehr unterschiedlich, selbst in Deutschland.